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Each post contains the full recording of our conversation, my reflections, and a timestamped summary of the entire conversation at the very bottom of the post. Many thanks to my guest Robert W. Mixon, Jr. !
I’ll be honest — I walked into this conversation with a small amount of unconscious bias.
When I hear “retired Major General,” my movie-brain goes straight to the caricature. Rigid. Top-down. Command and control. The kind of leader who barks orders and expects silence in return. That’s the story Hollywood has been selling for decades, and most of us have absorbed it without questioning it much.
96% of American adults have never served in the military. So we fill the gap with Patton. With the archetype of the general who was a “true badass” — Robert’s words — for a particular moment in time, but whose methods would crater any modern organization.
Then I spent 40 minutes talking to Robert Mixon, Jr.
Within the first few minutes, he said something that stopped me: “I think I’ve made 99.5% of all the leadership mistakes you can make.”
He said it matter-of-factly. No performance, no setup. Just the plain truth from a man who commanded a division of thousands of soldiers, ran a manufacturing company as president, led a nonprofit, and has been coaching leaders for over a decade. He wasn’t building to a lesson. He was just telling you who he is.
That’s when I understood. Robert doesn’t represent the caricature of military leadership. He dismantles it — not by arguing against it, but simply by how he shows up.
All anybody has to do is spend two minutes with him, and they can feel it.
Chaos isn’t the exception. It’s the condition.
Robert’s framework for all-in adaptive leadership starts with an honest diagnosis of where we are right now.
He defines chaos as “raging uncertainty — where we don’t know what we don’t know.”
That phrase stuck with me. Because most of us have a vague sense that things feel hard right now. Economically. Organizationally. In ways that are hard to name.
Raging uncertainty is the language. It’s not a temporary disruption we’re waiting to resolve. It’s the water we’re swimming in.
And here’s the thing Robert and I landed on that I talk about all the time: we are all, on some level, preschoolers on the inside.
We want to know what’s for dinner. What time we’re supposed to be on the call. What the schedule looks like.
Kids respond well to preschool precisely because there’s structure — circle time, then weather, then recess, then snacks.
As adults, we’ve layered sophistication over the same basic need. We want certainty. And when it disappears, we struggle.
I recognize this in myself. When I’m anxious, I start talking faster. I fill the airspace. And all I’m doing, as a leader, is making everyone around me more anxious, too.
The leader’s job isn’t to pretend certainty exists. It’s to create enough of a container — a direction, a shared sense of purpose, a set of values that hold — so that people can function without it.
That’s what Robert calls setting the azimuth.
The Big Six — and what each one actually means in practice
Robert has distilled his leadership thinking into what he calls the Big Six principles of all-in adaptive leadership. He’s clear that these aren’t original to him. He learned them from watching great leaders, studying under people like General Colin Powell, and getting them wrong himself before he got them right.
I want to give each one the space it deserves — because these are not just principles to agree with. They’re practices to build.
1. Set the azimuth.
An azimuth is a military term for a direction of travel — a compass bearing that keeps you oriented even when the terrain changes. Robert uses it to mean your organizational true north: mission, intent, values, and the specific behaviors that bring those values to life.
Here’s what makes this different from the version most organizations do: it has to be built with the team, not handed down to them.
Robert walked us through what this looks like in practice. You sit down together and ask: Who are we? What do we do? Why do we do it? You work through mission and intent and values collectively. You define what your values actually mean in behavior — because if you don’t define them, people make up their own definitions, and those definitions are usually not right.
The azimuth also has to be measurable — which is where I think this approach really stands out and can have a lasting impact.
Robert reminded us all: “that which is measured gets done.” He learned this as a cavalry officer and as a manufacturing president.
Vague aspirations don’t hold. But when you can show progress, people see the mission isn’t just words.
And then you sustain it. Not announce it and forget about it. You persist and make it last.
2. Listen.
Robert’s mom told him: God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason. His mom is 93. He says he still hasn’t fully delivered on her advice, but he’s working on it.
Stephen Covey said: “Listen with the intent to understand, not to reply.” Robert’s honest that 99% of us do the latter.
But there is a better way.
The practical tool he uses — and teaches — is the two-second rule. Before you respond to anyone speaking to you, wait two seconds. Just two.
The reasons are better than you’d expect.
First: the person may not be done. Interrupting is a signal of disrespect, whether you intend it or not.
Second: you give yourself time to actually think before you speak, instead of just blurting.
Third: and this one is the most powerful — when you give people a chance to finish and then wait before responding, they feel regarded. They feel like what they said mattered. That feeling, built over time, creates trust.
Robert says if you practice the two-second rule consistently for 21 days and audit yourself on it daily, you’ll watch people’s behavior change. Not because you gave them feedback. Because yours changed.
I added two more reasons:
One: if you’re having an emotional reaction to what someone said, the pause gives you a chance to catch it before it lands on the other person.
And two: when we rush, we signal anxiety. People feel that energy and mirror it back. The pause is not just a listening tool. It’s a regulation tool.
3. Trust and develop your people.
You cannot scale what you won’t release. Leaders who hoard decisions create teams that wait to be told what to do — and in a world of raging uncertainty, that is a dangerous dynamic.
Robert frames this simply: you have to trust people if you want them to grow. And developing them is not optional. It is the work.
4. Do the right thing when no one is looking.
Before anyone else. Make sure you are leading by example.
This is where Robert starts when he works with leaders who feel overwhelmed. Not with the frameworks. With the personal mission statement.
Two or three sentences: Who am I? What do I do? Why do I do it? Write it. Write the values and operating principles that follow from it. What can people expect from me? What do I expect from them? Sign it. Date it. Share it with your team.
Now you have put a marker in the ground that you can be held to — and that you can hold yourself to. Robert calls these “daily audits.” Are you walking the talk? Not sometimes. Habitually. Not episodically.
What I find so powerful about this is that it mirrors what I work on with my clients in the ME Work — the inner operating system that makes everything else possible. When you haven’t taken care of yourself, you are not able to focus on the people around. you.
Robert arrived at the same place through the military, through boardrooms, through coaching: The first person you have to lead is you.
5. When in charge, take charge.
This is the one that sounds like the caricature — but turns out to be its opposite.
When Robert says “take charge,” he does not mean be loud, rigid, or directive. He means: be the calm.
Embody what he calls tactical patience. Be the one who says, “We may not know all the answers, but we have an azimuth, we have each other, and we are going to get through this together.”
And then — critically — underwrite mistakes. Not punish them. Learn from them. That distinction is the difference between a team that takes initiative and a team that pretends to.
6. Balance the personal and professional.
Most people hear “balance” and think: how many hours am I on Zoom? Am I the last one to leave the office?
Robert reframes it entirely. You cannot manage time — it is finite. What you can do is take more ownership of how you show up within it. The way you do that is by sustaining your four levels of energy: physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual.
Think of them as battery levels. If they’re depleted, you’re running the five previous principles on fumes. If they’re protected and restored, you have something real to give.
This isn’t soft. It’s structural. A depleted leader creates a depleted team.
The two questions that define your culture
One of the most clarifying moments in the conversation came when Robert posed a simple scenario.
Something goes wrong in your organization. It happens daily — that’s the world we’re in. The boss turns to someone on the team and asks a question.
Option one: “What were you thinking?”
Option two: “What did we learn here?”
Feel the difference. Not just in tone. In what each question creates.
The first is a verdict dressed up as a question. It signals blame. It tells your team that mistakes are dangerous. And in a world of raging uncertainty, if your team believes mistakes are dangerous, they will stop making decisions. They will wait. They will cover themselves.
The second is an invitation. It signals learning. It tells your team that their judgment is trusted, even when it falls short. It builds what Robert calls a culture of commitment — where people are genuinely all in because they belong, they matter, and their stumbles are treated as part of the work.
Robert calls this the difference between “sins of commission” and “sins of omission.”
Mistakes made while genuinely trying to do the right thing within the mission and values are supposed to happen. They are not a crisis. They are the necessary data and the signals you need to lead well.
Toxicity lives in the blame game, he said. Not sure if you believe him? Just look around you. In the organizations with the greatest distrust, the greatest fear — fear of blame is likely one of the core reasons.
Respect is specific, not aspirational
Here’s where the conversation got practical in a way that surprised me.
We started talking about how you actually bring values to life — not just post them on a wall and call it culture. Robert pushed on the word “respect.” Most organizations say they value it. But what does it look like?
He walked us through a workshop where a team sat with that question in silence. Then the ideas starting coming out. They weren’t bad, but none of them were measurable — all of them were subjective and required context to assess.
Robert went back to “that which is measured gets done,” and he challenged the team, “What if we just do things on time?”
The room shifted.
That’s a behavior that isn’t up for interpretation. It’s measurable. And every person on that team had felt the disrespect of the opposite — meetings that ran long with no agenda, colleagues who arrived late without acknowledgment, time treated as an abundant resource when it is the one thing no one can get back.
Robert told us he estimates he’s lost roughly 8,000 hours of his life in meetings with no agenda, no clear start, no clear end. Just stories about trout fishing and nothing that had anything to do with why people were in the room.
Being on time is not a small act of professionalism. It’s a statement. It says: I value your time. I follow through on commitments. I show up the way I said I would.
The question he left us with: what behavior in your organization, if your team committed to it and sustained it for 21 days, would actually shift the culture?
That’s not rhetorical. It’s where to start.
Managing up when the culture isn’t there yet
Not everyone listening leads from the top. And not everyone at the top is creating the conditions Robert describes.
So I asked him directly: what do you do when you see the need but you’re not the one setting the tone for the whole organization?
His answer was one of my favorites in the entire conversation.
Don’t walk into your boss’s office and tell her she’s doing it wrong. Even if she is. Especially if she is. You will raise her defenses, and you will lose before you’ve started.
Instead, ask for a pilot. In your own team. For 90 days. Give your boss regular updates — what Robert calls a “back brief” — showing what you’re learning and what value it’s creating. Let her see results without feeling threatened by critique.
Evidence is more powerful than argument. Always.
If you can create a pocket of culture within your own sphere of influence, people notice. They want what you have. The culture spreads not because someone mandated it, but because someone made it visible, and real and worth wanting.
What I took away
I asked Robert at the end what he wanted people to walk away with.
He said: “Leading effectively through chaos is hard work. It’s adult work. But it’s doable if you’re committed to the journey.”
No promise that it gets easy. No guarantee that the frameworks fix everything. Just the honest invitation to commit to the work — of leading yourself, and then of leading others — with intention and consistency.
I left this conversation thinking about my own preschooler tendencies. The moments when raging uncertainty has made me want certainty so badly that I’ve defaulted to control, to speed, to telling instead of asking. The moments I’ve broken the two-second rule. The times I’ve asked “What were you thinking?” instead of “What did we learn here?”
I also left thinking about what it means to carry 33 years of service and still introduce yourself by saying: I’ve made almost every mistake there is. That posture — that refusal to perform authority — is exactly what I mean when I write about leading from the inside out. It’s the ME Work made visible. It’s what genuine credibility looks like.
Robert didn’t just talk about a different kind of leadership. He was a living example of it for 40 minutes.
All anybody has to do is spend two minutes with him, and they can feel it.
If you can spare the time, watch the video. You won’t regret it. Before the Substack Live, I was feeling tired (a terrible night sleep) and behind on my day. But in our 15 min right before the Live started, talking with Robert, I just felt myself light up.
That’s what real leadership looks like. It isn’t about the title, or the authority. It’s about being able to see someone fully and to help them see themselves just as completely. It is a gift. And conversations with gifted leaders like Robert remind me of the importance of simple actions done with great strategic intent and care.
That’s the “all in leadership” that Robert teaches, and it’s exactly what the world needs more of right now.
About Robert Mixon Jr.
Robert is a retired U.S. Army Major General, former corporate executive, and founder of Level 5 Associates. He is the author of We’re All In and The Power of Being All In, both of which include tools you can start using today. The first chapter of each book is available as a free download at level5associates.com.
He writes All In Adaptive Leadership Insights on Substack, where he publishes practical leadership tools multiple times each week. Go find him.
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May you lead without limits,
Your Timestamped Guide to the Conversation
Timestamp — What We Covered
00:00 — Welcome and introductions — Robert’s background across military, corporate, and nonprofit leadership
03:28 — Robert’s origin story: “I’ve made 99.5% of all the leadership mistakes you can make”
05:01 — Defining chaos as raging uncertainty — and why humans crave certainty at every age
07:23 — Introduction to All-In Adaptive Leadership and the Big Six principles
07:38 — Principle 1: Set the azimuth — true north, mission, values, behaviors defined collectively
07:53 — Principle 2: Listen — the two-ear, one-mouth rule and the gap between what we know and what we practice
08:50 — Principles 3–6 overview: trust and develop, lead yourself first, when in charge take charge, balance personal and professional
09:41 — Reframing “work-life balance” as energy management across four levels
11:01 — Where to start when the Big Six feel overwhelming — begin with a personal mission statement1
2:07 — Vulnerability as a leadership strength, not a weakness
14:02 — Learning the Big Six from General Colin Powell
14:51 — The two-second rule for listening — and why it changes team behavior within 21 days
16:06 — Kathy adds: the two-second rule as an emotional regulation tool, not just a listening tool
17:10 — “Fire, ready, aim” — why speed without pause is a bad technique in leadership and in life
18:00 — What it looks and feels like to be the calm in the chaos
20:28 — The fix-it trap: when problem-solving becomes the wrong default
21:36 — The fairy tale of the all-knowing leader and why directive leadership is largely ineffective
22:52 — Building buy-in through collective problem definition — getting people part of the solution
23:21 — Belonging as a fundamental human need and what it takes to create it at work
24:03 — Sins of commission vs. sins of omission — underwriting mistakes vs. the blame game
24:34 — The two questions that define your culture: “What were you thinking?” vs. “What did we learn here?”
25:31 — The five levels of culture and why levels one and two leave people feeling like they don’t belong
27:44 — Respect as a leadership value — and what behaviors actually bring it to life
29:57 — The 8,000 wasted hours and why meeting discipline is an act of respect
31:20 — How the two-second rule and meeting discipline together can shift an organizational culture
32:02 — Building accountability through shared, written, signed commitments
34:00 — The azimuth-setting process in practice — how to build it collectively with your team
34:16 — Managing up when the culture isn’t there yet — the 90-day pilot program approach
36:43 — “Evidence is more powerful than critique”
37:27 — Closing reflections: it’s adult work, it’s doable, it requires commitment to the journey
38:53 — Kathy’s reflection: busting the military leadership caricature
39:24 — Robert’s response: the misidentification of military leadership and what it actually looks like
